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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://reversemortgagedaily.com/2009/12/17/house-votes-to-extend-estate-tax/comment-page-1/#comment-39534</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 04:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow u2013 youu2019re right. It IS different than I imagine. Itu2019s more convoluted than I thought! My opinion is still the same, however. The taxes were paid when the money was earned and an estate tax is simply immoral and criminal. When Joe Robbie (founder of the Miami Dolphins) passed away, his family had to sell the franchise to pay a reported $47 million in estate taxes. Thatu2019s just not right no matter how you slice it. Of course, Iu2019m a free market capitalist and despise any sort of a redistribution of wealthu2026 what can I say. Thanks for confirming my convictions, however! :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow u2013 youu2019re right. It IS different than I imagine. Itu2019s more convoluted than I thought! My opinion is still the same, however. The taxes were paid when the money was earned and an estate tax is simply immoral and criminal. When Joe Robbie (founder of the Miami Dolphins) passed away, his family had to sell the franchise to pay a reported $47 million in estate taxes. Thatu2019s just not right no matter how you slice it. Of course, Iu2019m a free market capitalist and despise any sort of a redistribution of wealthu2026 what can I say. Thanks for confirming my convictions, however! <img src='http://reversemortgagedaily.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 02:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HECM_Dude,rnrnExactly what involvement do you have in the estates of HECM borrowers?  I find your claims very interesting!rnrnWhile I strongly agree most HECM borrowers will never face the estate tax, I have met who reasonably expect their estates will.  In one case the borrower has over $9,000,000 of value in real estate, investments, pensions, and other assets even in todayu2019s market.  If the unified credit goes down to only shielding $1,000,000 of taxable assets, I know more HECM borrowers to whom this tax will apply, including my neighbor whose home alone is worth over $800,000.rnrnHowever, HECM borrowers are hardly the concern.  It is proprietary reverse mortgage borrowers who will most likely be hit and at higher percentages than most decedents.  Among these borrowers the chances of being subject to the estate tax rise dramatically and can expect to be much much higher than the percent of estates generally, which is estimated at 0.3% (yes, less than 1%) today.rn  rnJust as income tax implications from foreclosure were laughable when I first came into the industry, this topic probably seems just as laughable today. However, just as foreclosure seemed unlikely in late 2004, so does the return of proprietary products to many today.  rn</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HECM_Dude,rnrnExactly what involvement do you have in the estates of HECM borrowers?  I find your claims very interesting!rnrnWhile I strongly agree most HECM borrowers will never face the estate tax, I have met who reasonably expect their estates will.  In one case the borrower has over $9,000,000 of value in real estate, investments, pensions, and other assets even in todayu2019s market.  If the unified credit goes down to only shielding $1,000,000 of taxable assets, I know more HECM borrowers to whom this tax will apply, including my neighbor whose home alone is worth over $800,000.rnrnHowever, HECM borrowers are hardly the concern.  It is proprietary reverse mortgage borrowers who will most likely be hit and at higher percentages than most decedents.  Among these borrowers the chances of being subject to the estate tax rise dramatically and can expect to be much much higher than the percent of estates generally, which is estimated at 0.3% (yes, less than 1%) today.rn  rnJust as income tax implications from foreclosure were laughable when I first came into the industry, this topic probably seems just as laughable today. However, just as foreclosure seemed unlikely in late 2004, so does the return of proprietary products to many today.  rn</p>
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		<title>By: jeffreverse</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 02:09:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow – you’re right. It IS different than I imagine. It’s more convoluted than I thought! My opinion is still the same, however. The taxes were paid when the money was earned and an estate tax is simply immoral and criminal. When Joe Robbie (founder of the Miami Dolphins) passed away, his family had to sell the franchise to pay a reported $47 million in estate taxes. That’s just not right no matter how you slice it. Of course, I’m a free market capitalist and despise any sort of a redistribution of wealth… what can I say. Thanks for confirming my convictions, however! :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow – you’re right. It IS different than I imagine. It’s more convoluted than I thought! My opinion is still the same, however. The taxes were paid when the money was earned and an estate tax is simply immoral and criminal. When Joe Robbie (founder of the Miami Dolphins) passed away, his family had to sell the franchise to pay a reported $47 million in estate taxes. That’s just not right no matter how you slice it. Of course, I’m a free market capitalist and despise any sort of a redistribution of wealth… what can I say. Thanks for confirming my convictions, however! <img src='http://reversemortgagedaily.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 01:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jeffreverse,rnrnThe estate tax regime is much different than you imagine it.  First of all estates that have a taxable estate of $100,000 incur a tax due of $23,800 today.  However, the unified credit offsets that amount in exactly the same way it does for the estate of Michael Jackson who passed away this year.rnrnOur current structure starts at a 18% rate and graduates to 45% on the taxable estate exceeding $1,500,000.  The unified credit is $1,455,800 for 2009 and applies directly against the tax thus shielding the first $3,500,000 of the taxable estate from the estate tax.rnrnThe estate tax also permits heirs to receive a new tax basis in the assets they inherit.  Without it, they would inherit the tax basis of the heir (or in certain cases, if less the fair market value of the asset as of the date of death).  As in Canada such a regime would push the estate tax into the income tax making the heirs pay at least as much in income tax as the decedent would have paid.  Most income tax practitioners believe the increased revenues to the federal government would be enormous.  However, it would be the poorest Americans paying the greatest share of this increased tax.rnrnPlease forgive me if I do not agree with your point of view.  Most large estates have sufficient planning to avoid the estate on a large portion of their estate.  For example, due to his charitable trust, Bill Gates estate will pay little estate tax even though his heirs will live comfortably administrating that trust.rnrnMarried couples will generally avoid any estate tax on assets exceeding $7,00,000 if the current tax law is extended indefinitely into the future but a little estate tax planning is required to get from $3,500,000 to $7,000,000.rnrnPlain and simple the etate tax is a redistribution of wealth upon whom it applies. It may be socialistic but it is also reasonably fair.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jeffreverse,rnrnThe estate tax regime is much different than you imagine it.  First of all estates that have a taxable estate of $100,000 incur a tax due of $23,800 today.  However, the unified credit offsets that amount in exactly the same way it does for the estate of Michael Jackson who passed away this year.rnrnOur current structure starts at a 18% rate and graduates to 45% on the taxable estate exceeding $1,500,000.  The unified credit is $1,455,800 for 2009 and applies directly against the tax thus shielding the first $3,500,000 of the taxable estate from the estate tax.rnrnThe estate tax also permits heirs to receive a new tax basis in the assets they inherit.  Without it, they would inherit the tax basis of the heir (or in certain cases, if less the fair market value of the asset as of the date of death).  As in Canada such a regime would push the estate tax into the income tax making the heirs pay at least as much in income tax as the decedent would have paid.  Most income tax practitioners believe the increased revenues to the federal government would be enormous.  However, it would be the poorest Americans paying the greatest share of this increased tax.rnrnPlease forgive me if I do not agree with your point of view.  Most large estates have sufficient planning to avoid the estate on a large portion of their estate.  For example, due to his charitable trust, Bill Gates estate will pay little estate tax even though his heirs will live comfortably administrating that trust.rnrnMarried couples will generally avoid any estate tax on assets exceeding $7,00,000 if the current tax law is extended indefinitely into the future but a little estate tax planning is required to get from $3,500,000 to $7,000,000.rnrnPlain and simple the etate tax is a redistribution of wealth upon whom it applies. It may be socialistic but it is also reasonably fair.</p>
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		<title>By: James_E_Veale_CPA_MBT</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 00:15:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HECM_Dude,&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Exactly what involvement do you have in the estates of HECM borrowers?  I find your claims very interesting!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;While I strongly agree most HECM borrowers will never face the estate tax, I have met who reasonably expect their estates will.  In one case the borrower has over $9,000,000 of value in real estate, investments, pensions, and other assets even in today’s market.  If the unified credit goes down to only shielding $1,000,000 of taxable assets, I know more HECM borrowers to whom this tax will apply, including my neighbor whose home alone is worth over $800,000.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;However, HECM borrowers are hardly the concern.  It is proprietary reverse mortgage borrowers who will most likely be hit and at higher percentages than most decedents.  Among these borrowers the chances of being subject to the estate tax rise dramatically and can expect to be much much higher than the percent of estates generally, which is estimated at 0.3% (yes, less than 1%) today.&lt;br&gt;  &lt;br&gt;Just as income tax implications from foreclosure were laughable when I first came into the industry, this topic probably seems just as laughable today. However, just as foreclosure seemed unlikely in late 2004, so does the return of proprietary products to many today.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HECM_Dude,</p>
<p>Exactly what involvement do you have in the estates of HECM borrowers?  I find your claims very interesting!</p>
<p>While I strongly agree most HECM borrowers will never face the estate tax, I have met who reasonably expect their estates will.  In one case the borrower has over $9,000,000 of value in real estate, investments, pensions, and other assets even in today’s market.  If the unified credit goes down to only shielding $1,000,000 of taxable assets, I know more HECM borrowers to whom this tax will apply, including my neighbor whose home alone is worth over $800,000.</p>
<p>However, HECM borrowers are hardly the concern.  It is proprietary reverse mortgage borrowers who will most likely be hit and at higher percentages than most decedents.  Among these borrowers the chances of being subject to the estate tax rise dramatically and can expect to be much much higher than the percent of estates generally, which is estimated at 0.3% (yes, less than 1%) today.</p>
<p>Just as income tax implications from foreclosure were laughable when I first came into the industry, this topic probably seems just as laughable today. However, just as foreclosure seemed unlikely in late 2004, so does the return of proprietary products to many today.</p>
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		<title>By: James_E_Veale_CPA_MBT</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 23:23:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jeffreverse,&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The estate tax regime is much different than you imagine it.  First of all estates that have a taxable estate of $100,000 incur a tax due of $23,800 today.  However, the unified credit offsets that amount in exactly the same way it does for the estate of Michael Jackson who passed away this year.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Our current structure starts at a 18% rate and graduates to 45% on the taxable estate exceeding $1,500,000.  The unified credit is $1,455,800 for 2009 and applies directly against the tax thus shielding the first $3,500,000 of the taxable estate from the estate tax.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The estate tax also permits heirs to receive a new tax basis in the assets they inherit.  Without it, they would inherit the tax basis of the heir (or in certain cases, if less the fair market value of the asset as of the date of death).  As in Canada such a regime would push the estate tax into the income tax making the heirs pay at least as much in income tax as the decedent would have paid.  Most income tax practitioners believe the increased revenues to the federal government would be enormous.  However, it would be the poorest Americans paying the greatest share of this increased tax.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Please forgive me if I do not agree with your point of view.  Most large estates have sufficient planning to avoid the estate on a large portion of their estate.  For example, due to his charitable trust, Bill Gates estate will pay little estate tax even though his heirs will live comfortably administrating that trust.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Married couples will generally avoid any estate tax on assets exceeding $7,00,000 if the current tax law is extended indefinitely into the future but a little estate tax planning is required to get from $3,500,000 to $7,000,000.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Plain and simple the etate tax is a redistribution of wealth upon whom it applies. It may be socialistic but it is also reasonably fair.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jeffreverse,</p>
<p>The estate tax regime is much different than you imagine it.  First of all estates that have a taxable estate of $100,000 incur a tax due of $23,800 today.  However, the unified credit offsets that amount in exactly the same way it does for the estate of Michael Jackson who passed away this year.</p>
<p>Our current structure starts at a 18% rate and graduates to 45% on the taxable estate exceeding $1,500,000.  The unified credit is $1,455,800 for 2009 and applies directly against the tax thus shielding the first $3,500,000 of the taxable estate from the estate tax.</p>
<p>The estate tax also permits heirs to receive a new tax basis in the assets they inherit.  Without it, they would inherit the tax basis of the heir (or in certain cases, if less the fair market value of the asset as of the date of death).  As in Canada such a regime would push the estate tax into the income tax making the heirs pay at least as much in income tax as the decedent would have paid.  Most income tax practitioners believe the increased revenues to the federal government would be enormous.  However, it would be the poorest Americans paying the greatest share of this increased tax.</p>
<p>Please forgive me if I do not agree with your point of view.  Most large estates have sufficient planning to avoid the estate on a large portion of their estate.  For example, due to his charitable trust, Bill Gates estate will pay little estate tax even though his heirs will live comfortably administrating that trust.</p>
<p>Married couples will generally avoid any estate tax on assets exceeding $7,00,000 if the current tax law is extended indefinitely into the future but a little estate tax planning is required to get from $3,500,000 to $7,000,000.</p>
<p>Plain and simple the etate tax is a redistribution of wealth upon whom it applies. It may be socialistic but it is also reasonably fair.</p>
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		<title>By: dduck12</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 14:45:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yup</description>
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		<title>By: jeffreverse</title>
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		<dc:creator>jeffreverse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 14:04:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Elaborating: what moral right does the government even have to tax someone’s estate? Taxes were once paid when the money was earned so why does the government get to “double dip” and confiscate 45% of an estate after someone passes? Because only the very rich will be affected however, nobody screams about it. Imagine the outcry though if this law were across the board and affected all tax payers. Someone leaving an estate of $100,000 having to pay $45,000 to the federal government would cause a national outcry. I’m simply looking at the morality of taxing someone’s estate. The extension of this law may help us in the reverse mtg industry a little, but it is bad for America because a minority of our fellow citizens are affected and we all go right along with it with no protest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Elaborating: what moral right does the government even have to tax someone’s estate? Taxes were once paid when the money was earned so why does the government get to “double dip” and confiscate 45% of an estate after someone passes? Because only the very rich will be affected however, nobody screams about it. Imagine the outcry though if this law were across the board and affected all tax payers. Someone leaving an estate of $100,000 having to pay $45,000 to the federal government would cause a national outcry. I’m simply looking at the morality of taxing someone’s estate. The extension of this law may help us in the reverse mtg industry a little, but it is bad for America because a minority of our fellow citizens are affected and we all go right along with it with no protest.</p>
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