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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Aug 2009 20:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ms. Lewis,rnrnWhen I first came into the industry I believed exactly as you do now.  Time and the current home value upheaval in various parts of the country have changed my views drastically.rnrnOn the surface the age issue seems right; however, one needs to go beneath the surface.  Few 62 year olds take the HECM they closed at age 62 to their grave.  So then one must look at the expected HECM life for borrowers at various ages at the time of closing before one can reach any reasonable conclusions about simple age weighted MIP.  Other factors could enter into it as well, such as the state in which the home is located.  In some areas of the country seniors have a greater propensity to move more frequently than in other locations.  This data would have to be analyzed based on many acceptable criteria; however, several important factors such as marital status and sex might not be acceptable to HUD.  rnrnUnfortunately the same must be said about your appraised value concept.  Due to the drastic drop in home values in some areas of the country, there are substantial losses which are expected to be incurred on homes with appraised values much higher than the lending limit at the time of closing; however, those losses will be much less than if those same homes had appraised at the lending limit or lower.  The stability of home values over time in various sectors of the country might be a critical factor in analyzing what insurance premiums should actually be assessed based on what HUD deems as risk based criteria.rnrnLet us say you are correct.  The trouble would be that those in their early sixties might have to bear upfront MIP rates of over 8% (that is not the right number but it demonstrates the essence of the concept) of the Maximum Claim Amount at the time of funding while those in their late nineties of just u00bd%; if the 62 year olds had home values less than the lending limit, the rates could be even higher.  This is one reason why HUD is adverse to risk based premiums.rnrnRisk based MIP assessments could lead to a much smaller program; however, without sufficient information the opposite might be the result.  Ultimately, however, for the HECM program the issue might not be the number of seniors who will be helped by the suggested changes as much as it is the financial and economic status of those seniors who will be helped.rn</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ms. Lewis,rnrnWhen I first came into the industry I believed exactly as you do now.  Time and the current home value upheaval in various parts of the country have changed my views drastically.rnrnOn the surface the age issue seems right; however, one needs to go beneath the surface.  Few 62 year olds take the HECM they closed at age 62 to their grave.  So then one must look at the expected HECM life for borrowers at various ages at the time of closing before one can reach any reasonable conclusions about simple age weighted MIP.  Other factors could enter into it as well, such as the state in which the home is located.  In some areas of the country seniors have a greater propensity to move more frequently than in other locations.  This data would have to be analyzed based on many acceptable criteria; however, several important factors such as marital status and sex might not be acceptable to HUD.  rnrnUnfortunately the same must be said about your appraised value concept.  Due to the drastic drop in home values in some areas of the country, there are substantial losses which are expected to be incurred on homes with appraised values much higher than the lending limit at the time of closing; however, those losses will be much less than if those same homes had appraised at the lending limit or lower.  The stability of home values over time in various sectors of the country might be a critical factor in analyzing what insurance premiums should actually be assessed based on what HUD deems as risk based criteria.rnrnLet us say you are correct.  The trouble would be that those in their early sixties might have to bear upfront MIP rates of over 8% (that is not the right number but it demonstrates the essence of the concept) of the Maximum Claim Amount at the time of funding while those in their late nineties of just u00bd%; if the 62 year olds had home values less than the lending limit, the rates could be even higher.  This is one reason why HUD is adverse to risk based premiums.rnrnRisk based MIP assessments could lead to a much smaller program; however, without sufficient information the opposite might be the result.  Ultimately, however, for the HECM program the issue might not be the number of seniors who will be helped by the suggested changes as much as it is the financial and economic status of those seniors who will be helped.rn</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Aug 2009 19:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HECM_Dude,rnrnThere are many positive aspects to what you present.  One area that needs immediate attention is some of the confusing terms used in computing the principal limit.  First and foremost is the u201clending limit.u201d  What this term means has nothing to do with a true lending limit.  Then we come to the clumsy term, u201cmaximum claim amount.u201d  This is not the maximum claim amount and is nothing more than the lower or lowest of several factors.rnrnOne very intelligent naturalized citizen became infuriated when I began defining the term u201clending limit.u201d  He had read that the current lending limit is $625,500 and he had a home he believed worth just over than limit.  In his broken English he all but proclaimed the principal limit I presented was a u201cbait and switchu201d tactic.  He refused to hear my explanation all of the way through and pushing his wife out the door stomped out of my office very disappointed and angry.rnrnYou presented the easy issue -- making the principal limit based solely on age and home value.  The hard part is what should the permanent expected interest rate be?  Many have suggested 5.56%.  From a HUD point of view, how could they support such a low interest rate unless MIP rose substantially?  It seems the Principal Limits would have to be very low to have one universal expected interest rate without significantly raising the MIP -- which would mean using a much higher expected interest rate than 5.56%.  Imagine how many fewer seniors would be helped if the principal limits went appreciably lower.rnrnAs to other issues, I agree with the remarks of Mr. Agbamu.   rn</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HECM_Dude,rnrnThere are many positive aspects to what you present.  One area that needs immediate attention is some of the confusing terms used in computing the principal limit.  First and foremost is the u201clending limit.u201d  What this term means has nothing to do with a true lending limit.  Then we come to the clumsy term, u201cmaximum claim amount.u201d  This is not the maximum claim amount and is nothing more than the lower or lowest of several factors.rnrnOne very intelligent naturalized citizen became infuriated when I began defining the term u201clending limit.u201d  He had read that the current lending limit is $625,500 and he had a home he believed worth just over than limit.  In his broken English he all but proclaimed the principal limit I presented was a u201cbait and switchu201d tactic.  He refused to hear my explanation all of the way through and pushing his wife out the door stomped out of my office very disappointed and angry.rnrnYou presented the easy issue &#8212; making the principal limit based solely on age and home value.  The hard part is what should the permanent expected interest rate be?  Many have suggested 5.56%.  From a HUD point of view, how could they support such a low interest rate unless MIP rose substantially?  It seems the Principal Limits would have to be very low to have one universal expected interest rate without significantly raising the MIP &#8212; which would mean using a much higher expected interest rate than 5.56%.  Imagine how many fewer seniors would be helped if the principal limits went appreciably lower.rnrnAs to other issues, I agree with the remarks of Mr. Agbamu.   rn</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Aug 2009 18:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. LaFay,rnrnReverse Guy makes the point when he discusses rolling it into the interest rate.  In principle a higher interest rate would pay for that cost. rnrnFor example, if the interest rate is higher, the lender would be paid more money for the same loan when it is sold to the investor and out of that higher payment, the servicing fees would be taken or paid to a third party servicer.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. LaFay,rnrnReverse Guy makes the point when he discusses rolling it into the interest rate.  In principle a higher interest rate would pay for that cost. rnrnFor example, if the interest rate is higher, the lender would be paid more money for the same loan when it is sold to the investor and out of that higher payment, the servicing fees would be taken or paid to a third party servicer.  </p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Aug 2009 18:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Sprinkle,rnrnAlthough certain information is based on historical information, the $798 million subsidy is strictly based on the projected results of HECMs expected to be endorsed during the fiscal year ending September 30, 2010 and those HECMs alone.  It has nothing to do with actual losses that might arise in that fiscal year except for losses that might arise from HECMs endorsed during that year which should be nothing or next to nothing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Sprinkle,rnrnAlthough certain information is based on historical information, the $798 million subsidy is strictly based on the projected results of HECMs expected to be endorsed during the fiscal year ending September 30, 2010 and those HECMs alone.  It has nothing to do with actual losses that might arise in that fiscal year except for losses that might arise from HECMs endorsed during that year which should be nothing or next to nothing.</p>
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		<title>By: The_Cynic</title>
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		<dc:creator>The_Cynic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Aug 2009 18:22:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ms. Lewis,&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;When I first came into the industry I believed exactly as you do now.  Time and the current home value upheaval in various parts of the country have changed my views drastically.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;On the surface the age issue seems right; however, one needs to go beneath the surface.  Few 62 year olds take the HECM they closed at age 62 to their grave.  So then one must look at the expected HECM life for borrowers at various ages at the time of closing before one can reach any reasonable conclusions about simple age weighted MIP.  Other factors could enter into it as well, such as the state in which the home is located.  In some areas of the country seniors have a greater propensity to move more frequently than in other locations.  This data would have to be analyzed based on many acceptable criteria; however, several important factors such as marital status and sex might not be acceptable to HUD.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Unfortunately the same must be said about your appraised value concept.  Due to the drastic drop in home values in some areas of the country, there are substantial losses which are expected to be incurred on homes with appraised values much higher than the lending limit at the time of closing; however, those losses will be much less than if those same homes had appraised at the lending limit or lower.  The stability of home values over time in various sectors of the country might be a critical factor in analyzing what insurance premiums should actually be assessed based on what HUD deems as risk based criteria.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Let us say you are correct.  The trouble would be that those in their early sixties might have to bear upfront MIP rates of over 8% (that is not the right number but it demonstrates the essence of the concept) of the Maximum Claim Amount at the time of funding while those in their late nineties of just ½%; if the 62 year olds had home values less than the lending limit, the rates could be even higher.  This is one reason why HUD is adverse to risk based premiums.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Risk based MIP assessments could lead to a much smaller program; however, without sufficient information the opposite might be the result.  Ultimately, however, for the HECM program the issue might not be the number of seniors who will be helped by the suggested changes as much as it is the financial and economic status of those seniors who will be helped.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ms. Lewis,</p>
<p>When I first came into the industry I believed exactly as you do now.  Time and the current home value upheaval in various parts of the country have changed my views drastically.</p>
<p>On the surface the age issue seems right; however, one needs to go beneath the surface.  Few 62 year olds take the HECM they closed at age 62 to their grave.  So then one must look at the expected HECM life for borrowers at various ages at the time of closing before one can reach any reasonable conclusions about simple age weighted MIP.  Other factors could enter into it as well, such as the state in which the home is located.  In some areas of the country seniors have a greater propensity to move more frequently than in other locations.  This data would have to be analyzed based on many acceptable criteria; however, several important factors such as marital status and sex might not be acceptable to HUD.  </p>
<p>Unfortunately the same must be said about your appraised value concept.  Due to the drastic drop in home values in some areas of the country, there are substantial losses which are expected to be incurred on homes with appraised values much higher than the lending limit at the time of closing; however, those losses will be much less than if those same homes had appraised at the lending limit or lower.  The stability of home values over time in various sectors of the country might be a critical factor in analyzing what insurance premiums should actually be assessed based on what HUD deems as risk based criteria.</p>
<p>Let us say you are correct.  The trouble would be that those in their early sixties might have to bear upfront MIP rates of over 8% (that is not the right number but it demonstrates the essence of the concept) of the Maximum Claim Amount at the time of funding while those in their late nineties of just ½%; if the 62 year olds had home values less than the lending limit, the rates could be even higher.  This is one reason why HUD is adverse to risk based premiums.</p>
<p>Risk based MIP assessments could lead to a much smaller program; however, without sufficient information the opposite might be the result.  Ultimately, however, for the HECM program the issue might not be the number of seniors who will be helped by the suggested changes as much as it is the financial and economic status of those seniors who will be helped.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Aug 2009 18:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>matmel,rnrnHow does the average of the HUD HECM balance sheet for prior years relate to the HUD HECM subsidy request for the fiscal year 2010?  Please explain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>matmel,rnrnHow does the average of the HUD HECM balance sheet for prior years relate to the HUD HECM subsidy request for the fiscal year 2010?  Please explain.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Aug 2009 18:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Kelly,rnrnThe things you address in your blogs are fundamentally important both now and for the future of our industry; I applaud you for taking them on.  I also believe the product you propose could have its place. Unfortunately some seek to stifle free discourse and reasoned opinions on such matters.  rnrnI apologize if some of my remarks about your first blog (related to the RMD article by Mr. Morse on August 24, 2009) appeared to be overly strong; they in fact were.  I am passionate about seniors and this program as I know you are also.rnrnTo make things clear about one of the prior remarks, not long ago there was an u201cirrational exuberanceu201d in the industry regarding the importance of proprietary products and their alleged imminent dominance in origination over HECMs.  However, there is no glee or delight in the loss of those products.  But the unfounded euphoria that developed in 2007 and early 2008 distracted from the attention that should have been paid to the HECM program and HERA, especially as to the shift of the HECM program from the General Insurance to the Mutual Mortgage Insurance category and its potential impact on the HUD budget.  We are now living with some of the results of that distraction.rnrnAlmost everyone in the industry is well aware of the risk to the HECM insurance fund from declining home values.  A much smaller percentage are aware of the negative impact the dynamic shift in originating higher and higher percentages of fixed rate HECMs also has had on that risk.  A significant portion of the huge overall subsidy for fiscal year 2010 comes from the higher percentages of balances due to MCAs at funding due to the increasing numbers of fixed rate HECMs.rnrnVery early in 2007 when our company was looking at designing a unique proprietary reverse mortgage, I suggested that a product be designed that has two distinct components.  Upon funding, the initial balance due would be captured into the fixed rate component structured in principle just as most fixed rate HECMs (but obviously without MIP or servicing fees) are structured today.  Any available proceeds which are not taken at funding would be available to the borrower through an adjustable rate line of credit component.  It is my understanding that recently MetLife looked into such a product and now HUD is looking at this idea.  Since many seniors would prefer not taking all available proceeds at closing on a fixed rate HECM, this would not only answer the concerns of those seniors but should also lower estimated subsidies for future fiscal years.  rn</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Kelly,rnrnThe things you address in your blogs are fundamentally important both now and for the future of our industry; I applaud you for taking them on.  I also believe the product you propose could have its place. Unfortunately some seek to stifle free discourse and reasoned opinions on such matters.  rnrnI apologize if some of my remarks about your first blog (related to the RMD article by Mr. Morse on August 24, 2009) appeared to be overly strong; they in fact were.  I am passionate about seniors and this program as I know you are also.rnrnTo make things clear about one of the prior remarks, not long ago there was an u201cirrational exuberanceu201d in the industry regarding the importance of proprietary products and their alleged imminent dominance in origination over HECMs.  However, there is no glee or delight in the loss of those products.  But the unfounded euphoria that developed in 2007 and early 2008 distracted from the attention that should have been paid to the HECM program and HERA, especially as to the shift of the HECM program from the General Insurance to the Mutual Mortgage Insurance category and its potential impact on the HUD budget.  We are now living with some of the results of that distraction.rnrnAlmost everyone in the industry is well aware of the risk to the HECM insurance fund from declining home values.  A much smaller percentage are aware of the negative impact the dynamic shift in originating higher and higher percentages of fixed rate HECMs also has had on that risk.  A significant portion of the huge overall subsidy for fiscal year 2010 comes from the higher percentages of balances due to MCAs at funding due to the increasing numbers of fixed rate HECMs.rnrnVery early in 2007 when our company was looking at designing a unique proprietary reverse mortgage, I suggested that a product be designed that has two distinct components.  Upon funding, the initial balance due would be captured into the fixed rate component structured in principle just as most fixed rate HECMs (but obviously without MIP or servicing fees) are structured today.  Any available proceeds which are not taken at funding would be available to the borrower through an adjustable rate line of credit component.  It is my understanding that recently MetLife looked into such a product and now HUD is looking at this idea.  Since many seniors would prefer not taking all available proceeds at closing on a fixed rate HECM, this would not only answer the concerns of those seniors but should also lower estimated subsidies for future fiscal years.  rn</p>
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		<title>By: The_Cynic</title>
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		<dc:creator>The_Cynic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Aug 2009 17:10:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HECM_Dude,&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;There are many positive aspects to what you present.  One area that needs immediate attention is some of the confusing terms used in computing the principal limit.  First and foremost is the “lending limit.”  What this term means has nothing to do with a true lending limit.  Then we come to the clumsy term, “maximum claim amount.”  This is not the maximum claim amount and is nothing more than the lower or lowest of several factors.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;One very intelligent naturalized citizen became infuriated when I began defining the term “lending limit.”  He had read that the current lending limit is $625,500 and he had a home he believed worth just over than limit.  In his broken English he all but proclaimed the principal limit I presented was a “bait and switch” tactic.  He refused to hear my explanation all of the way through and pushing his wife out the door stomped out of my office very disappointed and angry.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;You presented the easy issue -- making the principal limit based solely on age and home value.  The hard part is what should the permanent expected interest rate be?  Many have suggested 5.56%.  From a HUD point of view, how could they support such a low interest rate unless MIP rose substantially?  It seems the Principal Limits would have to be very low to have one universal expected interest rate without significantly raising the MIP -- which would mean using a much higher expected interest rate than 5.56%.  Imagine how many fewer seniors would be helped if the principal limits went appreciably lower.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;As to other issues, I agree with the remarks of Mr. Agbamu.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HECM_Dude,</p>
<p>There are many positive aspects to what you present.  One area that needs immediate attention is some of the confusing terms used in computing the principal limit.  First and foremost is the “lending limit.”  What this term means has nothing to do with a true lending limit.  Then we come to the clumsy term, “maximum claim amount.”  This is not the maximum claim amount and is nothing more than the lower or lowest of several factors.</p>
<p>One very intelligent naturalized citizen became infuriated when I began defining the term “lending limit.”  He had read that the current lending limit is $625,500 and he had a home he believed worth just over than limit.  In his broken English he all but proclaimed the principal limit I presented was a “bait and switch” tactic.  He refused to hear my explanation all of the way through and pushing his wife out the door stomped out of my office very disappointed and angry.</p>
<p>You presented the easy issue &#8212; making the principal limit based solely on age and home value.  The hard part is what should the permanent expected interest rate be?  Many have suggested 5.56%.  From a HUD point of view, how could they support such a low interest rate unless MIP rose substantially?  It seems the Principal Limits would have to be very low to have one universal expected interest rate without significantly raising the MIP &#8212; which would mean using a much higher expected interest rate than 5.56%.  Imagine how many fewer seniors would be helped if the principal limits went appreciably lower.</p>
<p>As to other issues, I agree with the remarks of Mr. Agbamu.</p>
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