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	<title>Comments on: Should HUD Change Its Recourse Policy For Reverse Mortgages?</title>
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		<title>By: An Assault on Fairness: Quash Mortgagee Letter 2008-38, part 2 &#171; Atare Agbamu&#039;s Think Reverse! Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>An Assault on Fairness: Quash Mortgagee Letter 2008-38, part 2 &#171; Atare Agbamu&#039;s Think Reverse! Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Apr 2011 02:01:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I recounted in a March 29th blog comment on ReverseMortgageDaily http://reversemortgagedaily.com/2009/03/25/should-hud-change-its-recourse-policy-for-reverse-mortgag..., the unfairness in the arms-length rules in ML-08-38 have the potential to arouse anger and [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I recounted in a March 29th blog comment on ReverseMortgageDaily http://reversemortgagedaily.com/2009/03/25/should-hud-change-its-recourse-policy-for-reverse-mortgag&#8230;, the unfairness in the arms-length rules in ML-08-38 have the potential to arouse anger and [...]</p>
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		<title>By: An Assault on Fairness:Quash Mortgagee Letter 08-38, part 2 &#171; TrNotes</title>
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		<dc:creator>An Assault on Fairness:Quash Mortgagee Letter 08-38, part 2 &#171; TrNotes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Apr 2010 09:20:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] As I recounted in a March 29th blog comment on ReverseMortgageDaily http://reversemortgagedaily.com/2009/03/25/should-hud-change-its-recourse-policy-for-reverse-mortgag..., the unfairness in the arms-length rules in ML-08-38 have the potential to arouse anger and [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] As I recounted in a March 29th blog comment on ReverseMortgageDaily http://reversemortgagedaily.com/2009/03/25/should-hud-change-its-recourse-policy-for-reverse-mortgag&#8230;, the unfairness in the arms-length rules in ML-08-38 have the potential to arouse anger and [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Kinney</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen Kinney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 14:58:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Simply put, Mortgagee letter 2008-38 was HUD’s attempt to prevent reverse mortgage holders whose loan balance exceeds the value of the loan from selling their homes to family members at less than fair market value. It’s is reasonable that HUD would want to protect itself from borrowers or estates from taking advantage of the insurance pool by selling the property in a non-arms length transaction at less than market value and less than the mortgage balance to an interested party. HUD chose to deal with this issue by effectively prohibiting the sale of property for less than the balance owed except in foreclosure.

While the “misunderstanding or deception” we all suffered under as to what non-recourse means is lamentable.  The law of unintended consequences, as is often the case, comes into play. Since the policy forces the estate to allow the property to go foreclosure, HUD’s policy, in the long run, may benefit heirs who want to keep the home in the family. 

The result is a lose-lose proposition for HUD since they will still have to payout on the insurance guarantee, incur the added expense of foreclosure, stabilization, and sale of the property, all why risking the further deterioration of the property.  The heir(s), while running the risk that the property will be sold to some other party, will likely is better off. They can now buy the property back at auction or from the foreclosing lender at a price that is likely far less than fair market value of the property.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Simply put, Mortgagee letter 2008-38 was HUD’s attempt to prevent reverse mortgage holders whose loan balance exceeds the value of the loan from selling their homes to family members at less than fair market value. It’s is reasonable that HUD would want to protect itself from borrowers or estates from taking advantage of the insurance pool by selling the property in a non-arms length transaction at less than market value and less than the mortgage balance to an interested party. HUD chose to deal with this issue by effectively prohibiting the sale of property for less than the balance owed except in foreclosure.</p>
<p>While the “misunderstanding or deception” we all suffered under as to what non-recourse means is lamentable.  The law of unintended consequences, as is often the case, comes into play. Since the policy forces the estate to allow the property to go foreclosure, HUD’s policy, in the long run, may benefit heirs who want to keep the home in the family. </p>
<p>The result is a lose-lose proposition for HUD since they will still have to payout on the insurance guarantee, incur the added expense of foreclosure, stabilization, and sale of the property, all why risking the further deterioration of the property.  The heir(s), while running the risk that the property will be sold to some other party, will likely is better off. They can now buy the property back at auction or from the foreclosing lender at a price that is likely far less than fair market value of the property.</p>
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		<title>By: James E. Veale, CPA, MBT</title>
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		<dc:creator>James E. Veale, CPA, MBT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 04:59:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Although most borrowers (or their heirs) will not attempt to keep their home when it is time to pay off their HECM, some will.  To some the home is their heritage.  Many generations may have occupied it and raised their families in it.  Some borrowers want to pass it along to their heirs.  Whatever their reason keeping the home is important to them.

Now we have Mortgagee letter 2008-38.  It carves out the borrower, the estate, and most likely the heirs from not being able to purchase the home at market value.  While this is not an uncommon definition of nonrecourse, it was not the definition that was used by the vast majority of the industry to define nonrecourse for two decades.  In fact Mortgagee Letter 2008-38 is the first written authoritative HUD document defining nonrecourse for HECMs in this way.  For years, the vast majority of the industry has been defining nonrecourse to mean that even the borrower, the estate, or the heirs can purchase the property at market value.  Our industry has boldly printed this policy in its marketing materials for years.

Here is how HUD informally described its nonrecourse policy in the October 2005 issue (Volume 2, Number 9) of its publication Reseach Works in an article titled “Reverse Mortgages: Converting Equity into Cash:”

“If the sale proceeds do not cover the amount owed, HUD will pay the lender the shortfall. FHA collects an insurance premium from all borrowers to provide this coverage, so a homeowner can never owe more than the home’s value at the time the loan is repaid.” 

This is not a publication produced by anyone other than HUD.  This is not someone else’s understanding, this is how HUD described its own nonrecourse policy.

It does not seem fair or reasonable for HUD to change its policy two decades after the program started.  HUD should either apply Mortgagee Letter 2008-38 prospectively or rewrite Mortgagee Letter 2008-38 to make its policy coincide with that expressed in Research Works.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although most borrowers (or their heirs) will not attempt to keep their home when it is time to pay off their HECM, some will.  To some the home is their heritage.  Many generations may have occupied it and raised their families in it.  Some borrowers want to pass it along to their heirs.  Whatever their reason keeping the home is important to them.</p>
<p>Now we have Mortgagee letter 2008-38.  It carves out the borrower, the estate, and most likely the heirs from not being able to purchase the home at market value.  While this is not an uncommon definition of nonrecourse, it was not the definition that was used by the vast majority of the industry to define nonrecourse for two decades.  In fact Mortgagee Letter 2008-38 is the first written authoritative HUD document defining nonrecourse for HECMs in this way.  For years, the vast majority of the industry has been defining nonrecourse to mean that even the borrower, the estate, or the heirs can purchase the property at market value.  Our industry has boldly printed this policy in its marketing materials for years.</p>
<p>Here is how HUD informally described its nonrecourse policy in the October 2005 issue (Volume 2, Number 9) of its publication Reseach Works in an article titled “Reverse Mortgages: Converting Equity into Cash:”</p>
<p>“If the sale proceeds do not cover the amount owed, HUD will pay the lender the shortfall. FHA collects an insurance premium from all borrowers to provide this coverage, so a homeowner can never owe more than the home’s value at the time the loan is repaid.” </p>
<p>This is not a publication produced by anyone other than HUD.  This is not someone else’s understanding, this is how HUD described its own nonrecourse policy.</p>
<p>It does not seem fair or reasonable for HUD to change its policy two decades after the program started.  HUD should either apply Mortgagee Letter 2008-38 prospectively or rewrite Mortgagee Letter 2008-38 to make its policy coincide with that expressed in Research Works.</p>
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		<title>By: Atare Agbamu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Atare Agbamu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Mar 2009 11:28:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Talk about the law of unintended consequences: I was explaining HUD&#039;s &quot;clarified&quot; HECM non-recourse policy (and arms-length policy)in Mortgagee Letter 2008-38 to a senior and her daughter recently when the middle-age daughter exploded:
&quot;Atare!&quot; she screamed. &quot;This policy amounts to ELDER ABUSE [my emphasis]by our federal government!! They collect hefty mortgage insurance premiums from seniors. Then, they arbitrarily deny them and their heirs one of the benefits of those expensive premiums? It is an outrage! It stinks!!&quot;

I was shocked by the vehemence of her reaction. I am sure the high-minded formulators of Mortgagee Letter 2008-38 never thought that their policy could be construed as ELDER ABUSE. More than ever, I am convinced that Mortgagee Letter 2008-38 is bad policy. 

As seniors, their heirs(i.e., all of us),Congress,the Obama White House, AARP, and the public wake up to the unacceptable implications of Mortgagee Letter 2008-38, there will be a political firestorm. Silence is not an option in the face of bad public policy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Talk about the law of unintended consequences: I was explaining HUD&#8217;s &#8220;clarified&#8221; HECM non-recourse policy (and arms-length policy)in Mortgagee Letter 2008-38 to a senior and her daughter recently when the middle-age daughter exploded:<br />
&#8220;Atare!&#8221; she screamed. &#8220;This policy amounts to ELDER ABUSE [my emphasis]by our federal government!! They collect hefty mortgage insurance premiums from seniors. Then, they arbitrarily deny them and their heirs one of the benefits of those expensive premiums? It is an outrage! It stinks!!&#8221;</p>
<p>I was shocked by the vehemence of her reaction. I am sure the high-minded formulators of Mortgagee Letter 2008-38 never thought that their policy could be construed as ELDER ABUSE. More than ever, I am convinced that Mortgagee Letter 2008-38 is bad policy. </p>
<p>As seniors, their heirs(i.e., all of us),Congress,the Obama White House, AARP, and the public wake up to the unacceptable implications of Mortgagee Letter 2008-38, there will be a political firestorm. Silence is not an option in the face of bad public policy.</p>
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		<title>By: Jacqui Del Priore</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jacqui Del Priore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 15:49:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I applaud Atare&#039;s article and agree wholeheartedly!  For years we have been tolerating subpar communications from HUD.  Mortgagee Letters are vague and poorly worded and cause confusion in the industry.  I do believe that 2008-28 should be retracted.  Athough, the non-recourse has been practiced with this &#039;implied&#039; procedure, the reg reads differently and I believe, is legally challengable.  If HUD chooses to clarify at this point, not allowing the heirs to purchase the property at the market value seems unfair and frought with all kinds of problems.  This is easy enough to circumvent and involves misrepresentation.  Not a good idea! Thanks Atare for bringing this critical issue to light.  I believe this is a cause for concern and debate for all of us in the industry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I applaud Atare&#8217;s article and agree wholeheartedly!  For years we have been tolerating subpar communications from HUD.  Mortgagee Letters are vague and poorly worded and cause confusion in the industry.  I do believe that 2008-28 should be retracted.  Athough, the non-recourse has been practiced with this &#8216;implied&#8217; procedure, the reg reads differently and I believe, is legally challengable.  If HUD chooses to clarify at this point, not allowing the heirs to purchase the property at the market value seems unfair and frought with all kinds of problems.  This is easy enough to circumvent and involves misrepresentation.  Not a good idea! Thanks Atare for bringing this critical issue to light.  I believe this is a cause for concern and debate for all of us in the industry.</p>
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		<title>By: Jacqui Del Priore</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jacqui Del Priore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 15:40:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I applaud Atare for his well written article and his challenge to HUD to get it right.  For years we have been putting up with subpar communications from HUD that are confusing, vague and sometimes flat out wrong! It is our government and we should be able to hold them to a higher standard.  After all, this is a new age and the change I would like to see is more professional communication.  As for the content, I couldn&#039;t agree more.  Since HUD&#039;s newly defined meaning (although practiced as such) was not clearly in writing, rather written to the contrary, I believe that it can be legally challenged.  As for the principal, let&#039;s look at this for a moment.  The seniors are paying for the non-recourse aspect.  Why should it only be extended to them and not their heirs? Since it must be arms length, it invites fraud and explaining how to commit fraud on the part of the loan officers since this law is simply circumvented by arranging for a friend/relative to purchase the property.  So, we will have this situation of misrepresentation to contend with. It&#039;s unnecessary.  I believe that HUD should leave their description as is, retracting ML 2008-38 AND begin practicing as is.
I also am appauled at the wording in the letter as it speaks down to the lending industry.  We aren&#039;t the people who put out purposely vague and/or poorly worded communications, we are just the people who have to deal with them!  Shame!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I applaud Atare for his well written article and his challenge to HUD to get it right.  For years we have been putting up with subpar communications from HUD that are confusing, vague and sometimes flat out wrong! It is our government and we should be able to hold them to a higher standard.  After all, this is a new age and the change I would like to see is more professional communication.  As for the content, I couldn&#8217;t agree more.  Since HUD&#8217;s newly defined meaning (although practiced as such) was not clearly in writing, rather written to the contrary, I believe that it can be legally challenged.  As for the principal, let&#8217;s look at this for a moment.  The seniors are paying for the non-recourse aspect.  Why should it only be extended to them and not their heirs? Since it must be arms length, it invites fraud and explaining how to commit fraud on the part of the loan officers since this law is simply circumvented by arranging for a friend/relative to purchase the property.  So, we will have this situation of misrepresentation to contend with. It&#8217;s unnecessary.  I believe that HUD should leave their description as is, retracting ML 2008-38 AND begin practicing as is.<br />
I also am appauled at the wording in the letter as it speaks down to the lending industry.  We aren&#8217;t the people who put out purposely vague and/or poorly worded communications, we are just the people who have to deal with them!  Shame!</p>
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		<title>By: mrreverse</title>
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		<dc:creator>mrreverse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 01:22:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pity and invstor can buy the property at market price or less but the family must be an arms length.

Maybe if counslors explain take a monthly income chances the family could still pay of the loan balance. The program was to suplement thier income.
How about FHA do a laon Modification since every one else who bought a home and lied abouth thier income are now getting a loan modification.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pity and invstor can buy the property at market price or less but the family must be an arms length.</p>
<p>Maybe if counslors explain take a monthly income chances the family could still pay of the loan balance. The program was to suplement thier income.<br />
How about FHA do a laon Modification since every one else who bought a home and lied abouth thier income are now getting a loan modification.</p>
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