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	<title>Comments on: HUD Provides More Information About HECM For Purchase</title>
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		<title>By: Bill Peters</title>
		<link>http://reversemortgagedaily.com/2009/02/23/hud-provides-more-information-about-hecm-for-purchase/comment-page-1/#comment-27092</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Peters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 21:57:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Uness I&#039;m missing something, I don&#039;t think HUD would be involved in the transaction at all.

If you&#039;re not trying to use a HECM for Purchase to buy the home (and you&#039;re not) and if the existing servicing company is not out of business (which would be the only circumstances in which HUD had either temporarily taken over the servicing or was trying to get it assigned to a new servicer), the sales price would be whatever you can get the  seller to accept.

The seller would presumably be the homeowner who took out the reverse mortgage in the first place, or their beneficiary or legal representative if that homeowner has passed away, but not HUD or the loan servicing company.


Oh wouldn&#039;t it be wonderful if there were a distinct weblink for every question.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uness I&#8217;m missing something, I don&#8217;t think HUD would be involved in the transaction at all.</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re not trying to use a HECM for Purchase to buy the home (and you&#8217;re not) and if the existing servicing company is not out of business (which would be the only circumstances in which HUD had either temporarily taken over the servicing or was trying to get it assigned to a new servicer), the sales price would be whatever you can get the  seller to accept.</p>
<p>The seller would presumably be the homeowner who took out the reverse mortgage in the first place, or their beneficiary or legal representative if that homeowner has passed away, but not HUD or the loan servicing company.</p>
<p>Oh wouldn&#8217;t it be wonderful if there were a distinct weblink for every question.</p>
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		<title>By: john smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>john smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 May 2009 03:12:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Im trying to purchase a house CASH that is listed as a reverse mortgage short sale property listing
 

My question is: Will HUD accept an offer for review of acceptance for a property if the offer is less than 95% of the appraisal if the offer is a CASH OFFER.
 

Also can you please also include the web link that provides this answer.

Please respond back to hobby0002000@yahoo.com          Thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Im trying to purchase a house CASH that is listed as a reverse mortgage short sale property listing</p>
<p>My question is: Will HUD accept an offer for review of acceptance for a property if the offer is less than 95% of the appraisal if the offer is a CASH OFFER.</p>
<p>Also can you please also include the web link that provides this answer.</p>
<p>Please respond back to <a href="mailto:hobby0002000@yahoo.com">hobby0002000@yahoo.com</a>          Thanks</p>
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		<title>By: Reverse Mortgages Are a Good Thing For the Right Homeowner&#160;&#124;&#160;The Chicago 77</title>
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		<dc:creator>Reverse Mortgages Are a Good Thing For the Right Homeowner&#160;&#124;&#160;The Chicago 77</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Apr 2009 08:56:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] being upside down, the homeowner is not responsible for that amount. They can sell the house, and HUD eats the difference. Reverse mortgages are fully government insured, backed by HUD and FHA, and [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] being upside down, the homeowner is not responsible for that amount. They can sell the house, and HUD eats the difference. Reverse mortgages are fully government insured, backed by HUD and FHA, and [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Peters</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Peters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 04:30:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As if the foreclosures were not sufficient cause for alarm and reaction among lenders and at HUD, we also had the crisis at FNMA, the largest reverse mortage investor. And the latter part of 2008 also brought us another as-yet-unseen phenomenon: a surge in new fraudulent HECM apps. Property flipping and straw buyers and foreclosure properties were part of this, but apparently some other schemes were so crafty that the lenders have not been willing to describe them for fear that others would copycat them.

The new HVCC rules which go into effect May 1st make it abundantly clear that many of the powers that be not only do not trust appraisers, FHA licensed or not, but that they do not trust loan officers as well.

These strong currents all combine to create the environment in which we, the lenders, and HUD itself have to stumble forward with the HECM For Purchase to comply with HERA 2007. 

So, while the program guidelines and its processes have their flaws that we can try to get the powers to address and remedy in the future, we at least have a beginning. That is, if you&#039;re willing to engage and learn in order to help those folks who can benefit from the program &#039;as is&#039;. Sometimes, to do what&#039;s best for your client, you have to venture out into terra incognita. 

Prepare to have your understanding and knowledge tested, and for your client&#039;s sake, make sure they know that we are ALL beginners in this process and there will be confusion and uncertainty for some time forward.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As if the foreclosures were not sufficient cause for alarm and reaction among lenders and at HUD, we also had the crisis at FNMA, the largest reverse mortage investor. And the latter part of 2008 also brought us another as-yet-unseen phenomenon: a surge in new fraudulent HECM apps. Property flipping and straw buyers and foreclosure properties were part of this, but apparently some other schemes were so crafty that the lenders have not been willing to describe them for fear that others would copycat them.</p>
<p>The new HVCC rules which go into effect May 1st make it abundantly clear that many of the powers that be not only do not trust appraisers, FHA licensed or not, but that they do not trust loan officers as well.</p>
<p>These strong currents all combine to create the environment in which we, the lenders, and HUD itself have to stumble forward with the HECM For Purchase to comply with HERA 2007. </p>
<p>So, while the program guidelines and its processes have their flaws that we can try to get the powers to address and remedy in the future, we at least have a beginning. That is, if you&#8217;re willing to engage and learn in order to help those folks who can benefit from the program &#8216;as is&#8217;. Sometimes, to do what&#8217;s best for your client, you have to venture out into terra incognita. </p>
<p>Prepare to have your understanding and knowledge tested, and for your client&#8217;s sake, make sure they know that we are ALL beginners in this process and there will be confusion and uncertainty for some time forward.</p>
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		<title>By: Louise</title>
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		<dc:creator>Louise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 23:51:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Until the first Mortgagee Letter is replaced, aren&#039;t lenders required to present the examples contained in it to the borrowers? In those examples, example 3 shows the principle limit being based on the appraised value -- which is greater than the sales price (unlike the example 3 shown above).  Until an official mortgagee letter is issued, aren&#039;t we in a kind of no man&#039;s land offering one thing while having to show the borrower another?  This smacks of slight of hand while in reality it is the result of no clear communication of changes in policy being made from HUD to the lenders.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Until the first Mortgagee Letter is replaced, aren&#8217;t lenders required to present the examples contained in it to the borrowers? In those examples, example 3 shows the principle limit being based on the appraised value &#8212; which is greater than the sales price (unlike the example 3 shown above).  Until an official mortgagee letter is issued, aren&#8217;t we in a kind of no man&#8217;s land offering one thing while having to show the borrower another?  This smacks of slight of hand while in reality it is the result of no clear communication of changes in policy being made from HUD to the lenders.</p>
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		<title>By: William J. Green</title>
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		<dc:creator>William J. Green</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 22:59:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With all due respect to Sam Collins and his ability to see things through the eyes of a bankrupt and otherwise inefficient government, it is illogical and a non sequitur to insist that traditional HECM Principal Limits be based solely upon a trusted FHA-appraisal, and then for lenders and watchdogs to engage in risk management (what lenders, FNMA, Freddie, and other institutions should have been engaging in all along but which they neglected terribly) to properly structure the terms of the loan to reduce, but never eliminate risk; but the same FHA appraisal can&#039;t be trusted sufficiently to engage in proper risk management in the case of a HECM for Purchase.  

Either we trust FHA certified appraisers and their appraisals sufficiently to structure loans properly or we don&#039;t.  Which is it?

If we do trust them -- and we should -- then it should not matter whether it is a HECM for purchase or a HECM on a home purchased a couple months ago.

IF the appraisal is accurate then let the risk managers do their job and structure the loan accordingly.  But don&#039;t penalize seniors who can negotiate a sales price below appraised value because risk managers were previously asleep on the job.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With all due respect to Sam Collins and his ability to see things through the eyes of a bankrupt and otherwise inefficient government, it is illogical and a non sequitur to insist that traditional HECM Principal Limits be based solely upon a trusted FHA-appraisal, and then for lenders and watchdogs to engage in risk management (what lenders, FNMA, Freddie, and other institutions should have been engaging in all along but which they neglected terribly) to properly structure the terms of the loan to reduce, but never eliminate risk; but the same FHA appraisal can&#8217;t be trusted sufficiently to engage in proper risk management in the case of a HECM for Purchase.  </p>
<p>Either we trust FHA certified appraisers and their appraisals sufficiently to structure loans properly or we don&#8217;t.  Which is it?</p>
<p>If we do trust them &#8212; and we should &#8212; then it should not matter whether it is a HECM for purchase or a HECM on a home purchased a couple months ago.</p>
<p>IF the appraisal is accurate then let the risk managers do their job and structure the loan accordingly.  But don&#8217;t penalize seniors who can negotiate a sales price below appraised value because risk managers were previously asleep on the job.</p>
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		<title>By: William J. Green</title>
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		<dc:creator>William J. Green</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 22:43:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem with using the Lesser of Sale Price or Appraised Value is one of the primary problems that the HECM for Purchase was designed to eliminate: the need for two transactions, a purchase and then a HECM.  

Seniors could always purchase a home for any amount they could negotiate and then apply for a HECM, the Principal Limit of which has always been calculated based solely upon the appraised value or the lending limit, whichever was lower.  But by basing the Principal Limit upon the Sales Price -- in the case where the sales price is lower than the FHA appraised value -- HUD inadvertently and unwisely reintroduces the necessity of doing two transactions in many cases, a purchase at the best negotiated price and a HECM at the appraised price (enabling the senior to borrow more), thus costing seniors unnecessary time, effort and money for a second closing.  This is self-defeating, cost ineffective, and illogical.  

And will likely eliminate the possibility of some very sensible and otherwise doable deals simply because some seniors will not qualify first for a regular mortgage to purchase the home in the first place because of too-lowed fixed incomes and/or poor FICO scores.  

HUD could eliminate this inefficiency, costliness, and illogical circumstance simply by sticking with its original Mortgagee Letter 2008-33 and the genius contained therein: efficiency, cost effectiveness, and compassion for senior homeowners who are able to purchase a home from a family member, friend, or concessionary seller below appraised value.

I emailed Secretary Donovan today regarding this issue and argued as much.  Let&#039;s see his response.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem with using the Lesser of Sale Price or Appraised Value is one of the primary problems that the HECM for Purchase was designed to eliminate: the need for two transactions, a purchase and then a HECM.  </p>
<p>Seniors could always purchase a home for any amount they could negotiate and then apply for a HECM, the Principal Limit of which has always been calculated based solely upon the appraised value or the lending limit, whichever was lower.  But by basing the Principal Limit upon the Sales Price &#8212; in the case where the sales price is lower than the FHA appraised value &#8212; HUD inadvertently and unwisely reintroduces the necessity of doing two transactions in many cases, a purchase at the best negotiated price and a HECM at the appraised price (enabling the senior to borrow more), thus costing seniors unnecessary time, effort and money for a second closing.  This is self-defeating, cost ineffective, and illogical.  </p>
<p>And will likely eliminate the possibility of some very sensible and otherwise doable deals simply because some seniors will not qualify first for a regular mortgage to purchase the home in the first place because of too-lowed fixed incomes and/or poor FICO scores.  </p>
<p>HUD could eliminate this inefficiency, costliness, and illogical circumstance simply by sticking with its original Mortgagee Letter 2008-33 and the genius contained therein: efficiency, cost effectiveness, and compassion for senior homeowners who are able to purchase a home from a family member, friend, or concessionary seller below appraised value.</p>
<p>I emailed Secretary Donovan today regarding this issue and argued as much.  Let&#8217;s see his response.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam Collins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam Collins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 15:37:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Considering the financial constraint on federal budgets and the current economic downturn, I would not count on mortgagee letter 2008-33 and expect there will be a more official clarification mortgage letter coming from HUD Secretary Donovan regarding HUD purchases.  Given all considerations with foreclosures  and home prices falling dramatically, the risk level for investors to accept higher than sales price or appraised value could spell another financial disaster down the road. Basically, it appears the logical remedy would mirror the forward side.  The principal loan limit would be calculated on the lesser of the sales price and/or appraised value, not to exceed the HECM loan limits.  Let&#039;s hope that HUD will issue a clarification soon, so the guessing will end and our senior clients can be assured they are receiving the right advise and information.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Considering the financial constraint on federal budgets and the current economic downturn, I would not count on mortgagee letter 2008-33 and expect there will be a more official clarification mortgage letter coming from HUD Secretary Donovan regarding HUD purchases.  Given all considerations with foreclosures  and home prices falling dramatically, the risk level for investors to accept higher than sales price or appraised value could spell another financial disaster down the road. Basically, it appears the logical remedy would mirror the forward side.  The principal loan limit would be calculated on the lesser of the sales price and/or appraised value, not to exceed the HECM loan limits.  Let&#8217;s hope that HUD will issue a clarification soon, so the guessing will end and our senior clients can be assured they are receiving the right advise and information.</p>
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